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Knoxville church shooting

29 Jul

There’s been a lot said about the shooting that happened in a Knoxville church this weekend. Some want to blame the conservative media for making this liberal church a target. Some blame the lack of gun control. I’ve even seen comments that suggested that this church asked for it. (I know right?!)

The thing is this happened at a church where there was no expectation of violence (much like a school shooting). The congregation was kicked back enjoying a children’s program when a madman burst into the sanctuary with a shotgun and shot 5 people. Two of those people are dead. As far as I know this kind of thing has never happened before actually it has, several times.

The fact that they were liberal matters as much in this situation as the gunman being a truck driver.

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Posted by on July 29, 2008 in Uncategorized

 

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8 responses to “Knoxville church shooting

  1. Richard Anderson

    July 29, 2008 at 9:28 pm

    This shooter is a sad sick individual but clearly the right-wing ranters fanned his flames. The three books found in his home were by Hannity, Savage and O’Reilly.

    Hannity and O’Reilly have been enabled by Fox News for far too long. Complain at yourcomments@foxnews.com

    Thanks!

     
  2. Charles Giacometti

    July 29, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    Sorry, chump, but he told the police that he specifically targeted liberals. How you can then conclude that does not matter says volumes about both your lack of intellect and your immaturity.

    But, sure, stick with that. I am sure it serves you well to stick your head in the sand.

     
  3. Dan (Fitness)

    July 30, 2008 at 3:35 am

    Ignoring the gunman’s motivation in the heat of increasingly violent rhetoric being mainstreamed at liberals is shockingly unwise at best.

     
  4. tkrivak

    July 30, 2008 at 3:48 am

    It doesn’t matter that this man read conservative stuff; I’m a “liberal” and I’ve read articles from Anne Coulter and I’ve youTubed her. I haven’t become a fire-breathing man-eater as of yet.
    I’ve also played countless hours of shooters and I’ve never gunned someone down. I’ve played all of the GTA games and I’ve never even attempted to kill a cop or steal a car.
    It’s ridiculous to blame any sort of media for an action such as this, whether it be in a church or a high school or a college campus. It is the fault of a deranged individual.
    We can try to place the blame on another source, but that’s not the real way to go about it; we all need to examine the facts and not jump into conclusions about situations such as these – it creates riffs in society, at the very least, and that’s never a positive thing.

     
  5. cravensworld

    July 30, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    I agree that the rhetoric has become pretty rough, but that’s no good excuse to go shooting up places.
    This argument that conservative media is to blame is the same as blaming music and video games for violence.
    The fact that our culture is violent in its nature is our main problem. Violence is all over our pop culture.
    The shooter had many other problems besides being a gun toting liberal pinkie queer hippie hater. He was also recently divorced (his wife used to attend the church) & out of a job. Lonely and broke will send the already unhinged right over the edge.

    Have we allowed people like Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter and Hannity too much leeway? Yes I believe we have, too long we’ve allowed opinion to stand in place of real news. Then we wonder why our public is so uneducated about what’s really going on around them.

    As to the charges that I’m a chump, intellectually stunted and unwise? Meh…

     
  6. Dan (Fitness)

    August 1, 2008 at 1:14 am

    cravensworld,
    I’m not saying its an excuse. I’m saying as our culture moves closer to accepting hatred of liberals, it moves the range of the acceptable enough to make some people feel they can act out violently. So it is definitely cultural.

    I think it odd that you cite music, games, and the media as being blameless, then attack culture (and pop culture specifically). What are music, games, and the media if not the brush and the colors we use to paint our culture?

    A number of things sent this guy over the edge.

    (And you are right to respond with “meh” to charges of chumpitude. You are clearly not, you just got this one thing a bit mixed up).

     
  7. cravensworld

    August 1, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    Hey Dan,
    I was thinking of Marilyn Manson and Grand Theft Auto that have been accused of “magically” causing violent crime. You are right music, games and media are parts of pop culture. Throw in movies, television and sports (boxing, ufc and in some cases baseball) and you do start to see a trend.

    I think our main problem with media is that opinion has been trotted out as news. Fox News is the absolute worst about twisting facts and making liberals out to be villains.
    We should all insist that this stop.

     
  8. Dan (Fitness)

    August 3, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    cravensworld,
    I know that argument well, and it is bs. To suppose that video games (which are explicitly fantasy) cause violence is more than foolish (and many politicians act foolishly in this way). The trend thing (repetition across forms of expression of the same message) is something that would be fascinating to consider more deeply. What occurs to me immediately is the sense of authenticity that accompanies radio hosts who argue on air that liberals should be shot.

    Which leads to the problem you cite, and I agree with you completely.

     

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